McDonnell Douglas F-15 vs Sukhoi Su-27

Sukhoi – legendary and super agile Su-27 Flanker

While comparing Western to Eastern technology and fighter jets we cannot skip over two widely compared aircrafts: Sukhoi Su-27 “Flanker” and the McDonnell Douglas F-15 “Eagle” (now Boeing F-15 Eagle). In the eastern aviation world Sukhoi stands for a legend. The Sukhoi design bureau made such successful aircraft as the SU-24 Fencer strike fighter and the SU-27 Flanker, series of air superiority fighters. The Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker was the top of Soviet technology at the time of its debut in the mid 80’s. Large but exceptionally agile, it had powerful engines and a big load of weaponry. With the Flanker fighter jet, the Soviet aviation industry made a leap forward in military technology. The Su-27 is a really great aircraft and a huge success of Soviet aviation, not only because it holds 27 absolute records. It is an exceptionally maneuverable machine, one of the most agile aircrafts ever built. Russians proudly demonstrate it during air shows – the Russian Knights aerobatic team of the Russian Air Force performs with six Su-27.

Flanker is an extremely nimble aircraft, can be controlled even at very low speeds and high angles of attack. A Cobra (Pugachev’s Cobra) – briefly sustained level flight at a 120° angle of attack – is a dramatic and very demanding maneuver usually demonstrated by Su-27 during airshows.

Video: Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker doing Pugachev’s Cobra

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The unbeatable F-15 Eagle and Su-27 FlankerBoeing F-15 Eagle

The Russian Su-27 Flanker could easily compete with the United States Air Force F-15 Eagle. Both, the F-15 and the Su-27 Flanker were designed as powerful air superiority fighters. A Flanker performs better than the Eagle in a dogfight, but is the difference that big? Each pilot would probably share a different opinion. The F-15 Eagle is a twin-engine, all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter aircraft designed by McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) to gain and maintain air supremacy in aerial combat. It takes place among the most successful modern fighter jets, with over 100 aerial combat victories and no losses in dogfights. The only losses the F-15 fleet faced was due to ground fire. Here is what the F-15s killed during the Gulf War alone, according to the USAF:

– 5 MiG-29 “Fulcrum”
– 2 MiG-25 “Foxbat”
– 8 MiG-23 “Flogger”
– 2 MiG-21 “Fishbed”
– 2 Su-25 “Frogfoots”
– 4 Su-22 “Fitter”
– 1 Su-7
– 6 Mirage F1
– 1 Il-76
– 1 Pilatus PC-9 trainer
– 2 Mi-8 helicopter

The Su-27 on the other hand has a kill/loss ratio of 6-0, and two losses due to ground fire. One ground fire loss each was in the Abkazhia War and in the Angolan Civil War, 5 kills in the Ethiopian-Eritrean War and one in the first Chechen War.

The Eagle’s air superiority is achieved through a combination of superior maneuverability (low wing loading) and acceleration (high engine thrust/weight ratio), range, weapons and multimission avionics (including a head-up display, advanced radar, inertial navigation system, flight instruments, ultrahigh frequency communications, tactical navigation system, instrument landing system, an internally mounted, tactical electronic-warfare system, “identification friend or foe” system, electronic countermeasures set and a central digital computer). The F-15 is equipped with electronics and weaponry enabling the pilot to detect, acquire, track and attack enemy aircraft while operating in friendly or enemy-controlled airspace.

The Eagle would probably have an advantage at longer ranges because of its superior avionics.

The Eagle’s and Flanker’s armament comparison

The F-15 can carry a wide range of air-to-air weaponry. The Eagle can be armed with combinations of:  AIM-120 advanced medium range air-to-air missiles on its lower fuselage corners, AIM-9L/M Sidewinder or AIM-120 missiles on two pylons under the wings, and an internal 20mm Gatling gun located in the right wing root.

The Sukhoi Su-27 armament includes a single 30 mm Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 cannon in the starboard wingroot, up to 10 hardpoints for missiles and other weapons. Flanker’s standard missile armament for air-to-air combat is a combination of Vympel R-73 (AA-11 Archer), Vympel R-27 (AA-10 ‘Alamo’) weapons, with extended range and IR guided models. Flanker has a comparable weapon aresenal to the Eagle in some respects.


General Characteristics

F-15 Eagle

Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker

Primary function Contractor Power plant Thrust Wingspan 








Maximum takeoff weight:










 Unit Cost


Initial operating capability

Air superiority tactical fighterMcDonnell Douglas Corp. (Boeing)Two Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-100, 220 or 229 turbofan engines with afterburners(C/D models) 23,450 pounds each engine42.8 feet (13 meters) 

63.8 feet (19.44 meters)


18.5 feet (5.6 meters)


28,000 lb (12,700 kg) (C/D models)


68,000 pounds (30,844 kilograms)


Mach 2.5+ (1,650+ mph, 2,665+ km/h)


65,000 feet (19,812 meters)


3,450 miles (3,000 nautical miles) ferry range with three external fuel tanks


F-15A/C: one. F-15B/D/E: two


One internally mounted M-61A1 20mm 20-mm, six-barrel cannon (940 rounds); four AIM-9 Sidewinder and four AIM-120 AMRAAMs or eight AIM-120 AMRAAMs, carried externally.


A/B $27.9mio (98 fiscal constant)


September 1975


Total force, 249


Air superiority tactical fighterSukhoi2 × Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F turbofans with afterburner12,500 kgf (122.6 kN, 27,560 lbf) each14.7 m (48 ft 3 in) 

21.9 m (72 ft)


5.92 m (19 ft 6 in)


16,380 kg (36,100 lb)


30,450 kg (67,100 lb)


Mach 2.35 (2,500 km/h, 1,550 mph)


18,500 meters (62,523 feet)


3,530 km (2,070 mi) at altitude; (1,340 km / 800 mi at sea level)


One and two


1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds; 8,000 kg (17,600 lb) on 10 external pylons; up to 6 × medium-range AA missiles R-27, 4 × short-range heat-seeking AA missiles R-73


$30 million






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77 thoughts on “McDonnell Douglas F-15 vs Sukhoi Su-27”

  1. You cannot make a comparison of victories and losses in this case. The USA has been fighting 3rd world countries, against poor export version fighters and untrained crew. Also there’s not enough data about Su-27. Without considering the economics, the best way to know the best fighter, is to make a 10 F-15 vs 10 Su-27, americans vs russians, but both nations at their highest potential (not like Russia in 90s…).

    1. F-15 is superior! Period! SU-27 would never have the opportunity to strike… Eagles aveonics is just that much better! 😉

      1. nope youre wrong..
        SU model tops the training exercise pitted against f-16 f-15 f-35 even f22.
        It was an imbarassment to USAF. try reading the news.

        1. In those engagements the F-15 was limited on using it’s full capability, politics were heavily involved. If you beat someone up too badly they won’t come back and play. I know these systems, I started as an Eagle Keeper in the 70’s and my specialty is radar. The Russian stuff is good but not the best, usually a generation behind. And please don’t try the “SU-27/35 has beaten an F-22”, not even in the same class

    2. What is the compare? You know, any USA aircraft machine could kill 10000000000 Russian airplanes at onece with one bullet!!!!!
      We are the best!!!!
      P.S. Sorry, I have to burry my brother what went to Ukraine in order to kill Russian animals.
      Fuck, they could cut us better.

      1. pidor -bandera lol an anti russian kid one bullet for 10000000000 russian planes seriously? you are a bigger joke than the f-35 itself

      2. MF- bendera, soon your time will come to teh end. As far as SU-27- it is more superior than F-15 by all means based on multiple parameters. Even avionics is at the same level

    3. It has read article Quote ” The mighty McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle family is generally credited by most Western observers with over 100 aerial victories, without a single (a single) combat loss to enemy aircraft. A large portion of this (100+) figure is IDF/AF in origin – and must be understood as such:
      1981 – According to Russian sources: an Israeli F-15A of the 133 Sqn was downed by a MiG-25P (or PD) of the T.4-Squadron over Lebanon.
      1982 – According to Russian sources: (a claim confirmed by Israeli sources) an Israeli F-15D was damaged in an engagement with Syrian MiG-21bis flown by SyAAF Capt Kharah. A second F-15A appears to have been downed in the same engagement.
      1983 – According to Russian sources: two (2) F-15As were downed by MiG-23MLs newly delivered to Syria.
      1991 Gulf War – An F-15C was lost under mysterious circumstances involving ‘contact with the enemy’ near the Saudi border, possibly involving Iraqi MiG-25.
      The American F-15C was claimed shot down during Iraqi operation: “Samarrah” launched on 01-Feb 1991. This saw Iraqi No. 96 Sqn launch a total of four MiG-25s in an attempt to deliberately drag USAF F-15s into a trap – to be hit by Foxbat R-40RD missiles. One MiG-25 pilot involved claimed a kill with two missiles: ground radars recording a hit, and subsequently tracked the formation of F-15s withdrawing south. One Eagle was continuously losing speed, and altitude as it went, and was assessed as crashing some 30km inside Saudi Arabia. Apparently a F-15C combat-loss was confirmed to the Iraqis during post-war negotiations.

      1991 Gulf War – F-15E Strike Eagle crews appear to have had some harrowing encounters with the Iraqi MiG-29 (and MiG-23?) with numerous missiles fired, but with inconclusive results. How these events unfolded precisely – remains illusive.

      The best researched estimates (using non-American sources: as American/IDF-AF sources can be unreliable) conclude that over 130 Iraqi aircraft were downed (with an additional 23 probable) by Iranian F-14 Tomcats during the Iran-Iraq war; with over forty (40) of these using the AIM-54 Phoenix missile. This means the twenty (20) year air-combat record of the F-15 ‘Eagle’ was exceeded in eight (8) years by the F-14 ‘Tomcat.’ Iranian Tomcats literally faced thousands of Iraqi air strikes. Indeed, Iranian F-14 crews fought in more areal engagements than both the USAF and US-Navy combined during Vietnam.”

      1. I give no credibility to any reports by the Russians. Remember the Russians couldn’t tell the difference between a Korean Airlines 747 and the US aircraft DC-7! SU-27 superiority is speculative comma F-15 superiority is demonstrated!

    4. Great powers don’t fight each other anymore, because of nuclear weapons.

      Imaginary standards for combat kills that truly demonstrate the capabilities of a piece of equipment are just that, imaginary.

      Combat kills against 2nd and 3rd rate air forces (air forces equipped and trained by the Russians) are better than no combat record, but they aren’t definitive. It’s better than nothing.

    5. and the Su 27 has fought what Modern force????? Yeah, I thought so- ethiopians shooting at Eritreans doesn’t exactly count or vice versa!

      Given the the actual combat experience, the F-15 DOES rule it! The fighters they went up against were taken out in WVR, where the supposed “older” fighters had affective opportunity to shoot down the F-15.

      It depends on training and airspace- if the F-15s were pushing their way into Russian Air space, I’d give the edge to the Sukhois 6/10, if in open air environment, say pacific theater 1v1? I’d give it to the F-15s 6/10,; ditto U.S> or Western european Air space..

    6. It is very depend who is flying the air crafts,
      No chance to bit the Israelis
      Russia is good agenst weak army’s not agenst the best one….

    7. No, that in itself wouldn’t be the best way to find out. The best way to do it would be to do a 1v1. Because, with a multiple number of aircraft on each side, it can be who has better strategy but with a 1v1 it would be closer to being which is a better plane.

    8. Sure you can- the Su27 was made by Russia and sold to its allies. F15 same thing but with our allies. By your standard they’d need to be compared in a ‘vacuum’ and there is always something you could alter or claim. If you consider the entire program for both planes to include who they sell them to, how those countries deploy , tactics, weapon systems, logistics etc you get the complete picture. And I am relatively certain that the F-15 would come out on top. When you compare a weapons system in real life you can do the paper chart like the one above. Or you can compare the entirety of the program. And the entirety of the program is what gets you to the ultimate goal in this case-which is air superiority.

      The real test is which aircraft program would establish and maintain that goal. The Germans had superior tanks in ww2 but ultimately having a better tank didn’t matter. Numbers, production, reliability, logistics all made the difference.

      As a warfighter you you need everything to work better from soup to nuts and as of now the F-15 has beaten the SU27. You cant ignore the ground truth which is the Russian program has not beaten the US program and ultimately I don’t think it ever would. 1:1 in sterile rules driven tests maybe but the Russian program unless it got really lucky wouldn’t establish and maintain air superiority. That is all that matters.

    9. I would agree. Also the American Eagles always engaged with the Migs with AVACS support and during the Persian Gulf war after blinding the Iraqi radars.

  2. Por lo visto en cuanto a maniobrabilidad el Su-27 supera ampliamente por un considerable margen al aguila F-15, pero porsupesto lo fundamental es el entrenamiento del piloto y su habilidad, que es lo que decide en definitiva la victoria en el combate Aire-Aire.

    1. Exacto. Hasta ahora todos los enfrentamientos del F15 fueron contra pilotos sub-entrenados. Israel y USA tienen sistemas y recursos que son de los mejores del mundo. No podría dar cifras exactas pero de seguro Irak o cualquier otro rival no podían colocar ni el 10% de pilotos igualmente entrenados. En suma en todos los enfrentamientos tenían las de ganar.

  3. Americans always like to brag about their country.
    so saying that their military hardware is better than anyone elses is part of their culture, their “exceptionalism”.

    SU-27 “flies itself” and theirefore it is a lot better aircraft than F-15 and that is the end of the story.

    1. If true the F-15 and Su-27 are near equal, then it will be the quality of the man flying the plane, rather than quality of plane flying the man, that will decide the victor. That “flies itself” stuff belongs to the weekend civilian pilot.

      1. I totally agree. If we look at Vietnam, outdated MiG-17s faced the F-4 Phantom II, one of the most advanced fighters in the world. Yet, the MiGs were able to shoot down quite a few Phantoms. Just goes to show that the plane isn’t everything.

        1. You really think the United states military would let a communist Russian plane that could end up in The wrong hands go unchallenged? And dude, I’m pretty sure niether planes can fly themselves. In real battles the United States Air Force would dominate the skies. And who is in the SU, or the F15? The pilot is what really counts. Unless the plane really sucks. And both are two phenomenal aircraft, so I don’t think it would come to that. and where did you get the info? Are you an Air Force pilot? What about the f15 Pov? You really need to check your facts. I’m pretty darn sure that the pilots who flew f15 would say something pretty close.

    2. Wessley, you arte an idiot with that statement! “flying itself” cannot save the Su 27 in actual combat.

      This depends on too many factors, but yeah, head to head- the F-15 can take this by a “slight” margin…

    3. We are exceptional. Learn how to spell you dopey bastard. Check your punctuation and capitalization next time too and maybe some other America hater will think you know what you’re actually talking about.

    4. Just because it has an autopilot that doesn’t make it a better plane. I mean, the F-15 can fly on one wing due to it’s unique aerodynamics.

    5. If you say so but the SU27 flying itself is absolutely irrelevant. Maybe if it were a drone but it isn’t. In war- would the Flanker-be enough to give superiority of the airspace to Russia and its allies if the answer is no then you have your answer. I don’t care if my M4 isn’t as powerful as an AK variant. I care about the entire program that gets me in front of the bad guy with the greatest opportunity for overall success. Forget allegiance forget cool factor what weapon system do you want to go to war in? My father was an F15 pilot during cold war and there is no way I’d choose the SU to take me in to battle. I’d want the US program supporting me.

    6. But they can only get away with it if there’should any evidence. The F-15 has demonstrated it’s superiority for 30 years. The Russians, on the other hand, also likes to brag about their country’so ability…it’s just that there’s nothing to back it up!

  4. Andrea and also anyone 😉
    You can not compare any aircraft one on one or 10/10 in a ideal or UFC cage like environment. A clean fight would never happen and anyone who would put their pilot or aircraft into a life/death situation without every advantage available would be criminally insane. There are always many factors in a battle space to consider that will change the dynamics.
    Electronic Jamming & AWACS (airborne warning and control system is a huge factor, just ask anyone who has ever been attacked from behind in the time and place of the attackers choosing…) properly used makes your opponent blind while you can see them.
    Terrain and battle field (Factors such as: are you on home territory, how many nearby airfields & aircraft available, distances to fly before hitting the enemy, etc) then there is training.
    American training and tactics is designed to put lots of aircraft in the right position to make use of every advantage.
    Then there is the reality of funding… America has the funds to do large scale (IE conditions more tough than a real war) combined (Fighter, fighter/bomber, AWACS, EW environment, SAM/AD threats) training exercises on a routine basis.
    Sorry but war is not fair: so even if a Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean or European fighter is better they would lose in a declared war.
    While everyone does the usual ‘well this thing is better than that’ they usually leave out the pilot and their training & experience which every combat pilot from every war will tell you is usually the deciding factor (well except for luck) in a battle.
    The classic example of that is Vietnam where training for the American pilots had been completely ignoring basic air/air combat techniques (see Wikipedia for BFM basic fighter maneuvers) but then they put together programs & training to correct this and ended up completely reversing the tables on the enemy (including talented Russian trained N. Vietnamese pilots and even Russian pilots) even though the Americans were heavily handicapped by bureaucratic rules (fly this altitude/direction/speed to the target, don’t hit them on their airfield, etc) issued from the highest government officials (President)thousands of miles away during actual fights!!!
    So just looking at the raw data of an aircraft is not realistic. Now in the future robotic stealthy super maneuverable aircraft can be compared one on one as they will probably go head to head on equal terms… But we are not there yet…

  5. Believe me! No Su-27 was Lost to GROUND FIRE in Angola. THE airplane was Lost during training preparation, to a airshow in boeing prepered in South Africa.

  6. The information and reports received about the Gulf War 91 is incorrect,Took advantage of the absence of the Iraqi side to spread these false figures, however. In 1991 Iraqi air force lost only 4 MiG-29s (one of them were hit by friendly fire )as we call it “Fratricide”In the first night of the start of military operations, for that enemy aircraft shot down only three and two of them were an easy target after being hit Ground controlled interception of communication. The story of an Iraqi MIG-29 were spin spiral and then crashed in the ground against two F-15Cs piloted by Captains Craig Underhill and Cesar Rodriguez “Incorrect” Capt. Qasim Hamad from 39Sqn of Iraqi air force clashed with them approximately 10 minutes without being hit or shot down and he was able to avoid two missiles fired on him AIM-7 and AIM-9 headon (after the engagement ended )returned to the base H-3 and land safely.
    The Iraqi MIG-29 scored three aerial victories.
    – 1 F-111F No.70-2391 48th TFW.
    – 1 B-52G No. 58-0248 4300th BW(P).
    – 1 Tornado GR.1 ZA467/FF Sqn 16.
    The Iraqi MIG-25PD achieved twice aerial victories.
    – 1 F/A-18C No. 163484 VFA-81 CVW-17 USS Saratoga.
    – 1 F-15C in 29 Jan 1991 by two R-40RD + R-40TD (named operation Samarra)BTW there is another F-15 was shot by Iraqi MIG-25 in 16 Jan 1993.
    The Iraqi MIG-23 achieved twice aerial victories as well.
    – 2 F-111F No.70-2384 48th TFW, other on unknown s/n but same unit 48th TFW.
    The Iraqi Mirage F1 achieved one air victory.
    -1 EF-111A s/n 66-0023 shot down by an Iraqi Mirage F-1 used Matra 530 in 14 Feb 1991.
    And here correct numbers received above (the article )
    – 8 MiG-23 “Incorrect” 6 only Unarmed headed to Iran.
    – 2 MiG-21 Unarmed headed to Iran.
    – 2 Su-25 Unarmed headed to Iran.
    – 4 Su-22 Unarmed headed to Iran.
    – 1 Su-7 Out of service of Iraqi air force since 1984 come from where !
    – 6 Mirage F1 “Incorrect” 4 only were shot down.

      1. are an idiot or insane>>??your referring on b2 bomber,,its not a b2 bomber has been shot down in Serbia its an Night Hawk: F-117 for your information..try to research mate!!

    1. Hawk Eyes story sound like Soviet propaganda from the 40’s and 50’s!The supposed planes of ours that got shot down are still sitting on our airfields and the pilots are sill alive. This is america. NO one has better records than us.Show me pics of all the MIG’s that we supposedly “missed”.
      also, to put this to bead real quick, the Soviets said their pilots(not chinese or NK)shot down 710 F86 sabres in korea 1950-53. We never had more then 250 F86’s in theatre in the whole war!

  7. I pick the F-15 Eagle, it has been in more combats. With over 100 aerial combat victories and no losses in dogfights. The Su 27 Flanker looks cool though.

  8. surely f 15 is a grt is nt easy to score 100 till now it had nt scored a kill against a equally equipped contender..(su 27,su 30)..the kills were of only les capable will b also very easy fr a su 30 to kil 100 or mre if it is pittd against (f 14,f 16,harriers,tornados..etc)…the real grtness of f 15 will b known whn it is pittd aginst its no. 1 contender su 30.

  9. John Wessley : <>
    BULLSHITS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    USA are a great nation, …. it’s simply the TRUTH !!!
    From 1972 (F-14) their fighters have always been the best, ’cause they got the highest technology, …….

    Hawk Eye : Iraq was lying. NOT USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The F-15/F-14/F-16 at the time of their release was simply a generation ahead all others …………
    The difference between the f-15 and the Su-27 is negligible, compared both have some advantage and disadvantage, ….. the F-15 is also lightest …………. would win the best pilot ………… (… And USA got the better trained pilots).

    1. Usa has some of the best trained pilots, so yes, they would dominate. Don’t spam to much, but I know. People who prefer Russian planes over American planes? ‘Bullshits’

  10. If I was an american pilot flying in a war vs Russia (which would never happen)I would pick the F15 if i was flying air superiority missions or escort missions over eastern Europe far from our air bases,just like the P51 in WW2. If i was intercepting bombers or fighters over Russia w/central radar control I’d probably pick the SU27/su30/etc. fighters.
    Either way it would be the better pilot who wins .We know who has the better pilots since WW2,with the years 1955-1967 the exception.
    Remember the F15 has been flying since 1974. SU27 since late 1980’s. NNow the Flankers would be up against F22 Raptors which would no bode well for the SU’s

  11. All these comparisons between the F-15 and the SU-27 by so called experts and idiots from third world countries. I guess the Japanese and Chinese will answer this question. Because they have so many of these fighters in the air. Until that happens the F-15 will remain superior with 100 wins and is everybody paying attention?? 0 losses!!

    The SU 27 supposedly has 6 wins and no losses. Supposedly…*rolls eyes…The American fighter pilots have been defeating Soviet air craft for decades. Russia on the other hand has been sitting around and selling their junk to third world countries.

    To be honest with you, I’m not so sure that the SU-27 would survive against any American fighter, even the ones that are retired like the F-14 and F-4 Phantom from the Vietnam War.

    1. F-15 is superior! Period! SU-27 would never have the opportunity to strike… Eagles aveonics is just that much better! 😉

    2. Russian SU were never marketed to other nations rather than their allie primarily CHINA and other 6 more countries.
      unlike the older MIG-29.

      statistically no one ever confronted these 2 great nations in combat. unlike f15 that was massly marketed to other nations with many conflicts like Iran. claiming 100 kills-0 /1loss? not factual ask IRAQ. nevertheless justifiable but not evident to say its more superior than SU.

      in fact,Two Su-27s were delivered to the United States in 1995. Two more were bought from Ukraine in 2009 by a private company, Pride Aircraft, to use for warbird exhibition. They are stored at an Air Force base in Delaware for Air Force evaluation(??).
      ask why?

      SU-27/37 outperforms all USAF fighter planes, in terms to speed, versatility, payload. F22 cannot even closely match up with SU during their joint military exercise. In fact suprisingly older F15 performed better than F22, the only 1 close to match SU in the combat exercise. evidently these are all facts.

      I like F15 like ever. I love F14 more. but SU will stand its ground to be the best Super fighter/bomber ever made( [-] publicity). In fact supersonic bomber who doesnt even need stealth like the B2.

      1. Dude, the f22 is a stealth fighter, and with all due respect, your research is crap. You are obviously biased, and your research is crap. And I’m pretty sure the f22 is more manueverable and gen. 5 fighters are way out of SUs league

  12. Research the su some more you will see how many time it got delay and crahses i think something smells in the su oh wait is unreliable while is good to look at i wont be suprised if it had a good avionic system which the russian always fail to do good in anyway f15. Has proven its reliability

  13. if you want a clear comparison look at indo-us airforce training in 2004
    There indian su 30mki(an advancement over basic su 27) killed f 15 on almost every simulation.

      1. wrooong. the simulation was lopsided since the US side were handicapped and not allowed to use the full potential of the fighter as an incentive to produce the F22 ;> try again.

    1. Russian junk is still russian junk. The fact that Russia does not have an electronics industry already puts it a century behind the other western nations. Try some actual facts instead of selling this Russian garbage. The only Russian equipment that is known to be reliable is the AK47. ALL of their fighter planes, tanks and naval assets are garbage and powered by sheer propaganda. Not to mention that Americans have superior training that puts ALL russians to shame. good riddance

  14. They are both superior when it comes to dogfights , so may the best pilot wins . Its not the armament or specifications its all about the skills of an ace pilot .

  15. Doesn’t the su-27 have a Doppler machine gun? If my crappy memory serves me properly, is it not the same weapon that is in the Mig-29. It never misses at range.

  16. Both planes are the remarkable piece of engineering. In the case of the head to head confrontation su 27 has a slightly advantage because of his superior aerodynamics.

  17. wats the use of comparing when it is already decided su 27 are the best suited for close dogfights, only pilot of superior fighting skills can over come the odds. there are many occasions where inferior planes shot down superior planes no matter of radar, electronics are what ever you name it. but it is only occasional not every time.

  18. British and Israeli pilots are the top guns.

    Russian pilots can do more with less. i.e. improvise with inferior equipment, they are generally hardier than their American counterparts. They are catching up in flight technology. Perhaps on par, or better, in missile technology.

    American pilots are the best trained – huge budget for training and overspending budget for the military. US defense budget is more than the next 5 countries combined.

    Russians are tough and capable but I wouldn’t bet against the US in a real head-to-head fight.

    Russians have more to lose so they will probably fight to the death if needed or else be sent to some gulag if they fail!

  19. F-15 is a good plane. F-14 SuperTomcat even better. However what ever the F-15 / 14 do in terms of agility, nimbleness and maneuverability; the Su-27 family of planes can exceed by 20-50%. Take a Cobra maneuver for example or a proper de facto vertical take off.

  20. I see a lot of people throwing terms around such as ‘advanced technology’ or ‘inferior technology’.
    Inferior and advanced to what? compared to what exactly?
    why throw a normative perspective at something that is clearly an ‘object’ which has no links or real connections with the other object.
    Why can’t you just say ‘different’.

    Words such as advanced , superior, inferior are simply pop cultural constructs with no real definite objective reference point.
    So criticizing something and calling it inferior or advanced is really a vacuous way to explain the differences. Who ever uses aforementioned words has failed to make a distinction between ie: SU27 and F-15 in this case.

    They are just different. Neither is more advanced or superior.

  21. I think both aircraft are amazing. I also think it will come down to the pilot’s skill, and how well he knows his own plane, and how well he knows the capabilities of his adversaries plane. I wish the U.S. would take a proven aircraft like the F-15 and build new and much more advanced models of it, instead of overpriced failures like the F-35.

  22. Honestly, most of the arguments I see on this forum and bias and unsupported by evidences. I suggest some reading time for most of you guys.

    the F4 claimed to be the most superior fighter at the time and the engineers claimed that the F4 has put the days of dogfight to an end. (They deem machine guns was obsolete so machine guns were removed) This was largely unfounded as the vietnamese were able to score kills against the so called ‘superior’ american tech. Hence, even the F-22s are equiped with machine guns.

    If you observe the characteristic of the Su-27, you will notice that the Su-27 is superior to even the F-22, in the spectrum of manoeuvrability.

    However, electronic wise, the F-15 has a leading edge as it is capable of tracking multiple targets with fire and forget capability.

    The base model of Su-27 lacks this ability and hence, several upgrades were made in the latter models to narrow the gap down. The Chinese Flankers are very unique to the original Flankers, the Chinese built them domestically and they were equiped with indigenous electronic system to enhance their situational awareness and their system were made to link up with the AWAWC command. They reversed engineered the Su-27 and ascended its capability as they are immensely impressed by what the Flanker airframe can do. (BTW, the Chinese have already got they hands on the F-16 from Pakistan if you were to argue against this) Couples of newer Chinese fighters derived from the Su-27 includes the J-11 and J-15 despite being able to manufacture their own stealth jet.

    Another point that I would like to raise is that Stealth fighters are not invincible to 4th generation fighters, they only reduced the RCS but they can still be detected assuming the adversary has enough radar coverage and link up system. The F-22 was only made to fight oppositions with inferior air defence system, the effectiveness against other more advanced country is questionable.

  23. When ever an American plane engages in a mechanically induced high pitch angle; it suffers a compressor stall. Not the case with f22 due to its vertical only nozzle vector thrust. Sadly, a basic Su27 can execute a cobra without thrust vectoring. It is simply a far more superior architecture and with post year 2000 electronics updates on par with f15 and f22 but with far superior mechanical maneuverability.

  24. The F15 and SU27 are comparable.

    SU27 has the advantage close in, due to superior maneuverability.

    F15 has the advantage at distance, and can stay at a distance, due to superior avionics, speed, and range.

    Who wins would depend on approach, mission, terrain, and pilot skill.

  25. F15A, F15C, F15D, F15E… If you ever compare anything try to do your best to compare comparable. Also 0 losses of the F15 in air combat? Common. Even the biggest fanboys cannot believe that, can they? We were fed up with propaganda bullshit for nearly 50 years here. Looks like it didn’t change much after the collapse of USSR, only we get to propaganda from both sides now. At least to soviet propaganda was soooooo easily see through you could laugh at it. This isn’t even funny :/

    Couple of points from reading the comments:
    The training with Indian SU30s where American jets were supposedly limited… Yes, they were. Guess why? Because the SU30 were not compatible with any american system so while the F15, 16 could and were easily fed with information from AWACS, the S30 couldn’t. Of course it was biased. In some ways to favor the Indians, in others to favor the Americans.

    Another point: In the Gulf war AH-64 helicopters destroyed radar stations with Hellfire missiles during the first night of the attack. Then they flew AWACS which the other side didn’t have 24/7. It was a stupid mistake from Iraq and a key suscess for the US. But doesn’t it make comparing the jets kinda unfair?

    Myself I do believe that with introduction of F15 US had the best fighter in the world. It’s in a different leage than Mig 21 and Mig23. I’m not throwing Mig 25 in as that is a different plane with a specific role. With the introduction of Mig29 US still had the upper hand. The early models (which were exported heavily…) were troubled with many flaws. Radar speciffically made for it wasn’t ready, engines had very short lifeperiod and so on. Later models transformed it into a completely different animal. And then came the SU 27. Today I wouldn’t bet on the F15E vs. SU35 fight outcome. And we probably won’t ever find who would win because of nuclear weapons. And even without them I don’t believe US would manage to sucesfully invade Russia. Neither Russia would be able to invade US. Europe on the other hand would be doomed. From both sides. We don’t have any real army now. We can brag about units like SAS, Eurofighters, Lerecs… But with the numbers we have? Laughable. And we’re letting Jihadis to roam freely in our countries. Thanks America for poking your nose where it doesn’t have any right to be. Also thanks Merkel for not being able to see two steps ahead…

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